Curse

Burst Cancel · Apr 27, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Same thing that's what all elitist act like as well. Just more attributes to add to the definition in my book.

No, actually. Elitism is about entitlement; simply thinking you are better than others doesn't make you elitist.

In any case, there's nothing particularly elitist about what's going on in HP. As I said, there's no reason for a team to gimp themselves by taking players with non-optimal bars. That's common sense, not elitism.

TigerWolf · Apr 27, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

The problem is that the substandard players are the ones that might want to pay for a monk. They might not even do well with a good monk. This could then be blamed on you. Not the best in game money making method.

stretchs · Apr 27, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

H/H HP ftw. Really the only profession that you may struggle with that method would be as a monk yourself. I have now completed it on 6 of my chars H/H without any deaths. Typically my team is only Livia and 1 monk henchie healer

RhanoctJocosa · Apr 27, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

stop sucking and use paragons

Malice Black · Apr 27, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

they're on fire+TNTF = GG mission

No need to use the lame ass Imbagon build either.

RhanoctJocosa · Apr 27, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

lol, the most recent time i did it we had sor x2, imbagon, cruel spear, ele with ward harm and random water hexes, rt w/ splinter etc, me, and a smite monk. pew pew

Maximumraver · Apr 27, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

I felt like doing that mission with actual players for a change, we had a monk, he was annoying, and a bad monk.

He: I'll leave soon, damn noobs! you all suck!
Me: Then leave...
He: I will if you say that again! then you're all gonna have to start over!!
Me: Leave...?

He: has left the game.

We complete the mission 2 mins later.

gg.

freakdaddy · Apr 27, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

hero ranger with winter and greater conflagration.

h/h monks all you need.

Rene Saliere · Apr 27, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

2 or 3 hero monks are superior than the average drone players that are out there, particularly the quality in the post ursan/dead era of GW.

Having said that offering monk services for hire is far less offensive than most of the scams going on at Spamadan.

I'd charge triple for ursan groups though - they are more difficult to listen to.

Chthon · Apr 27, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by freakdaddy

hero ranger with winter and greater conflagration.

Winter is bugged right now. No point in bringing it for Hell's until it's fixed.

Malice Black · Apr 27, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Winter has been screwed since 2004

Medic · Apr 27, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

You ought to pay me for killing all those monsters.

QFT

I'll take Alesia before I pay for some PUG monk of unkown skill/maturity/ability to waste my time.

Dr Strangelove · Apr 27, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

I'll have to try that. Does that tactic work in HM as well?

Work great. Granted, I am running a rit, so I'm crapping extra defense and explody splinter weapons all over the place. I have no idea how it would work for different classes, but I've found that most of the popular PvE builds don't synch quite as well with a rit - sabway favors caster heavy builds, massed paras favor physicals. Rits are a caster class that relies on heavy physicals, so there's a slight problem with both of those.

Age · Apr 27, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by Medic

QFT

I'll take Alesia before I pay for some PUG monk of unkown skill/maturity/ability to waste my time.

It is to bad because Alesia isn't in Hell's Precipce you are stuck with Mhenlo who still isn't as good as Alesia.You never know how good that PuG Monk might be and it is a team decision not just yours.The reason why Monk don't have to do this mission for the most part is that there is no elite skill in it for them and most had to go and cap restore conditions using before heros just using henchies.The same could be said for shield of deflection.It took me 10 times on my second Monk to cap this skill although the group was willing to pay I refused but they weren't willing to help me cap SoD.My boss wasn't spawning.

HuntMaster Avatar · Apr 27, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

If I had a choice between a player monk and a henchie monk, I would take the henchie monk every time. Heroes are even better. I'v seen a few (3-4) monk players that knew what they were doing and kept the group alive in other missions, But over the years I'v noticed a serious lack of know how with monks.

People talk smack about wamo's but monks are the true noob profession.

The problem is they only know how to 55 with no skill in healing or support at all. Someone needs to post a video on Utube on how to heal properly so all these monk players can learn how to do it, Just like they learned how to 55. (Utubienoobies)

Age · Apr 27, 2008, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

If I had a choice between a player monk and a henchie monk, I would take the henchie monk every time. Heroes are even better. I'v seen a few (3-4) monk players that knew what they were doing and kept the group alive in other missions, But over the years I'v noticed a serious lack of know how with monks.

People talk smack about wamo's but monks are the true noob profession.

The problem is they only know how to 55 with no skill in healing or support at all. Someone needs to post a video on Utube on how to heal properly so all these monk players can learn how to do it, Just like they learned how to 55. (Utubienoobies)

I will agree with you on some of your Points but not all as there are a lot of good Monks in the game but they are doing others thing like hmm GvG perhaps or HA/TA.Why would they want to go and Monk for you and the ones that are struggling sure they are farmers but went about learning their roles the wrong way.

They get runs and get power lvled and go get and ascended this is not their main char it is their 3rd or 4th char.Yes they made it up for farming but not all 55ers are bad at Monkng as most would rather do that than Monk a pug group that have bad bars and if the mission goes south they blame the Monk.Monk is by far not the noob prof. in the game.

Tiny Killer · Apr 28, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by Age

they are doing others thing

Heh. I won't even 'monk' for my heroes/hench anymore, let alone a PUG. Every now and then, if I am feeling very masochistic, I will monk with a PUG, but for the most part I just go smite and let either heroes or hench handle the healing for the party.

Anyway, the first thing that I thought of when I saw the topic for this thread was the monk strike. That was funny stuff back when it happened.

kazjun · Apr 28, 2008, 01:02 AM // 01:02

If you can get someone to actually pay for your help, then good for you. You'd deserve to be paid to help someone who can't do this with Mhenlo and Lina. Course, that's only if you actually help. If you leave half way or something then that's just scamming.

kratimas · Apr 28, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

How can there be a shortage of monks?

Heros are there for a reason

strcpy · Apr 28, 2008, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

The problem with that kind of reasoning is that it ignores the underlying problem: that PuGs suck, and always did. In Prophecies you sucked it up and joined them anyway because in some cases it was the only real game in town. I don't buy into the whole "good 'ol days of PuGs" nostalgia because I was there too; it didn't take long for myself and others to recognize PuGs for the bottomless cesspools of shocking incompetence that they were. Some people enjoyed the 'social interaction' too much to care, and others were bad enough at the game back then to not realize just how terrible PuGs really were.

Very much so - back a few pages ago someone else mentioned the Monk Strike and I said, given that people still blame heroes. I was informed that had *nothing* to do with it. Well, no, the strike in and itself didn't cause it but the *attitude* of it did. The general attitude was "Do what I say or I will take my ball and go home" - they were then told to "go home". That wasn't just confined to Monks, however they tended to be some of the worst at it. There is the same attitude with charging someone to play the game with them - *that* is what killed PUGs. People had forgotten the "group" part and PUGS had been on a steady decline for some time, the amusing outcome of the strike was that when forced to use the AI many realized how horrid the human monks were in general and that they *could* tell them to take their ball home, that they no longer needed to put up with the crap.

All heroes ever did was give people something else to do besides quit the game (and is largely why Anet put them in there). Heroes are not that good, a decent group of players (even if they are random people/classes) are MUCH easier to play than a full hero team would be - there is a reason that even before heroes were released the majority of the community had switched to the AI or quit and it all came down to PUGS were *not* fun.

So, again, to the OP question there is nothing wrong per se with charging (or going on strike or many of the outward signs of being a prima donna), especially true if you are actually that good. However, community wise, it is a recipe for failure, especially when those prima donna's can't play the game and are mostly blaming others for their failures. You can find the ones on this thread that *still* believe that a monk has the right to dictate such things when even Alesia and Mhenlo proves that they are incorrect (and I note those are mostly the people who hate the AI being there). Those people are not going to be fun to play with regardless of the character they play.